Tribute to the "Old" Grove
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Topic: Tribute to the "Old" Grove
Posted By: Biker Pat
Subject: Tribute to the "Old" Grove
Date Posted: 30-September-2006 at 14:56
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Recalling times past, fond memories, teenage innocence and first encounters with the female kind.  It was in July of 1972 The air was warm and the sky was blue On my motorbike I did rove To see this place called The Grove You turned left off Mount Prospect Avenue There The Grove came into view It was only an old wooden shack But inside there was almighty crack Outside it was Belgrove Football Club But inside North Dublin's rock 'n roll hub You had Cecil there on the stage Playing 45"s which were all the rage The lights were low with a reddish hue At the cloakroom there was always a queue People handing in their coats Before heading off for club milks and cokes Cecil played a fast set and then he'd tease "That's it, your next dance please" That was when you had to move Because he was slowing down the groove The girls would dash for the jacks The guys would've planned their romantic attacks You'd say "Would you like to dance, please?" Whilst really shaking at the knees I'll always remember "A Littte Bit Of Love" By an English bluesy band called Free I was nervous as you might get Because that was my first slow set That first girl did not stay with me It was the way it was meant to be There were many more after that Some stayed a while, for others it was just to chat I went to The Grove for three full years Sometimes the memories bring me close to tears When The Old Grove burnt down I could'nt go back Nothing could replace that psychedelic shack I'm glad they made the documentary A glowing tribute for all to see Cecil and The Grove on RTE For a place in rock 'n roll history The End  ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
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Posted By: Vinyl Junkie
Date Posted: 30-September-2006 at 19:11
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Pat, I never got to the old Grove (too young Mel. ------------- TPFKAB (The Poster Formerly Known As Brunswick). |
) but that's a cracking poem!! Nice one!Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 30-September-2006 at 22:13
Mel, Thanks for that. A lot on the Forum probably were never there but this just came to me and I had to write it down. The documentary has revived so many memories that seem like it was only yesterday  But that "Old Grove" was really a magical place. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Brunswick wrote:Posted By: russell
Date Posted: 01-October-2006 at 22:11
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Ah Pat
that poem simply fantastic, your inspiration and credit to us all Wished I seen the ol place before the saint Paul's era Russ ------------- Russ |
Posted By: eejit91
Date Posted: 01-October-2006 at 22:58
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Great stuff Pat, I am glad to say almost all my sisters and brothers went to the old grove and have all good memories which you dipict in your poem. Fair play to you and it should go up on the Grove hall of fame. T ------------- "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better." |
Posted By: xgrovehead
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 12:27
Good one Pat! Bet yer one regrets it now that you're a famous telly personality.  ------------- We have not inherited the earth from our ancestors, we have only borrowed it from our children. -Ancient Proverb. |
Posted By: Rolo
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 12:54
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Jaysis Pat, only saw this now. Absolutely magic.................. and BTW don't see any offerings from Eileen , Marty or Brendan................... In my book you were the star of the show !
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Posted By: IanL
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 13:00
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I love it too Pat .. great heartfelt
piece of work. I love the bit about Coke & Club Milks. Jaypers -- will there be Club Milks on sale in the Shieling ? that'll bring memories flooding back !!! Great stuff 
--Ian PS: You'll soon be writing prose like Patrick McCabe (ever read his stuff ?... great recollections of dance hall stuff, etc in Monaghan/border counties .. ) --Ian ------------- Ian - Grover '81-'84 Exiled to Mayo since 2005 |
Posted By: Bluebell
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 13:19
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pat.....wish i was born 10yrs earlier so i two could have the memories
you have....that old shack sounds like it was the place to be....in the
documentary really enjoyed when they read out the piece from that girls
diary...wonder who she was ? Anyway Pat if I were you ....I would put that poem into a frame and give it to Cecil at the reunion, it's part of Cecil's life and what he did for us and I'm sure he would love to have it....just a thought  ------------- You are what you wanna be....age doesn't matter |
Posted By: Rolo
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 13:25
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Agreed Pat, and if Noodles did the same with his Cecil tribute,the poor fella would need a Securicor Van to bring them all home. Something to think about. |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 18:46
LOL  ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 18:54
Rolo, that's very kind of you.  Anything I said on the show was true and I was trying over the last while to get those thoughts down into verse. I'm still getting reactions to the programme. I heard some people I knew way back had a Grove party the night the doc went out with some people flying home for the occasion. A guy who owns a shop near me was sl*gging me re the prog. It turns out he's an ex Grover as well. And the lady who owns the pharmacy, same story. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 02-October-2006 at 18:58
I'll give it some thought for sure and let Noodles know. A double offering would be great. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: RoundaboutToo!
Date Posted: 03-October-2006 at 00:54
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Great stuff Pat! well written, and though I wasn't there, it evokes the atmosphere of what was shown on the documentary! Just found out my sister went to Belgrove a few times! CP |
Posted By: freebird
Date Posted: 03-October-2006 at 01:35
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Enjoyed the verse Pat - only made it to the Old Grove about 4
times before it burnt down. Took me about 6 months of negotiations with the parents and endless jobs around the house before I was let go... and then it went up in smoke. You remember the queue to the cloakroom. I remember the queue for the girls loo and the battle to get some mirror space. |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 05-October-2006 at 21:44
If you were born ten years earlier you'd be ten years older now ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Bluebell
Date Posted: 05-October-2006 at 23:08
Pat....I believe that age is all in the head....your as old as you want
to be.....so roll on the next ten/twenty years ....once my
family/friends are happy and healthy and still goin to grove
reunions  then I'm happy
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Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 05-October-2006 at 23:22
Agree fully,  ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 02-July-2018 at 22:52
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BP - you composed a poem as well - the equal of the Noodles poem! Only catching up with all this stuff, I am humbled by all this talent around me! Seriously, I do not have any of these talents (OK, was a good drummer in my day, that not really the same thing though), I is jealous !!!  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 02-July-2018 at 23:09
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Thanks RR. This poem also in tribute to Cecil thread. I framed it for him and he was thrilled. Just a moment of inspiration, like Noodles poem. A drummer huh? Now that is a talent. Pray tell your musical career? I remembered you mentioned you played in a band. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 02-July-2018 at 23:34
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Nice one BP, I always love "a moment of inspiration", yeah ... A load of talent more like Started playing drums when I was 14/15, played in various band up until prob my 40's. Was working full-time after Leaving Cert in 1973, as well as bands. Never made money but that wasn't really the point. My "good" band, as I mentioned before, was band called "The Dark", then changed to "The Spies", 1978 to 1980 for me. I left 1980/1981, Main claims to fame : - around same time as U2, we were co-managed by Neil McGuinness (RIP Neil), brother of Paul McGuinness of U2. We kinda "hit the bar" re making it big, I think, but didn't quite get there. I wasn't too bothered, had the good job in the Civil Service - like the guy in "Sultans of Swing" I had a daytime job I was doin all right No regrets.Other claim to fame, one of the guitar players in that band, Gerry Leonard, stayed a professional musician - he is a true virtuoso, but as he would say, it's 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration!!! Gerry got involved with David Bowie (RIP), was musical director of his last European tour, and one of the guitar players; played on "Heathen", "Reality", and other stuff with Bowie; since played with Rufus Wainright, Suzanne Vega, and others. Gerry also composes and records his own stuff, goes by the name "Spookyghost". Look up Spookyghost.com for lots more on Gerry. He is living in the states the last years and years, we are still mates, keep in touch, and I see him (and get backstage!) whenever he is playing over here. He is the nicest, most unaffected guy you will ever meet, and I count him as a good friend. Prior to Bowie etc, Gerry was in a band with Donal Coughlan (RIP called "Hinterland". Lots on the web bout them as well, just google the name. If you have it bad, go to www.irishrock.org, look up The Dark, or The Spies. I stopped playing drums around 2000-ish I think, no drum kit now, but I never say never. Sorry BP, you did make the serious mistake of asking ... !!!  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 00:29
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Wow RR. Thanks for sharing that information. Am glad I asked. Well done. 👏👏 BP ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: monarch
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 00:49
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" The Dark " didn't you play on Sunday Afternoons in The Summit Inn ? . ------------- There is a crack in everything ...... that's how the light gets in |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 08:35
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Cheers BP, very kind of you. Frank - yep that was us - our finest hour really, the sheer joy and pleasure I got from those gigs started to be diminished a bit (for me anyway) once we got into managers, record deals, photographs, Hot Press, Dave Fanning sessions etc. etc. I mean our managers were sound, it was a huge thrill to do all the other stuff, but I think the playing suffered a little bit. Still, I can't deny it was a magic period while it lasted... As I said earlier, I loved it, we had such a good time,, I knew there wouldn't be another band like that, so, onwards, with no regrets! Great stuff. ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 09:01
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Here's a link to RR 's band. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 09:13
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BP, it was my brother in England who came across that site few years ago. Had a couple of email "conversations" with the guy who runs it - seems totally sound and as dedicated to music, bands etc - esp chronicling Irish bands - as any of us weirdos on here I think his name might be Declan (something or other), and I Think he lives/lived in the Netherlands, but that's all I know, and I could have that all wrong... There is a reason why we changed our name but a lot of that stuff is for the face-off  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: joey the lips
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 10:22
No regrets Jerry ,I like it .you can say that you reached the summit ,great stuff ------------- You can checkout anytime u like but u can never leave |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 16:56
Lol, Joey, only seeing this now. Thanks very much mate, it was a great time to be alive - but lots of other great times before and after...  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 17:06
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The reason I think this Grove poem is so good and distinctly different from Pat's usual fare is that it doesn't start with –"There was a young girl from Nantucket..." –heheh {;>) . Love the Spies Band pics RR. Wish I had looked as cool as that when I went to the Grove...the thought that girls might have even danced with me.
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 17:37
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Cheers Pogue, very decent of you to say, thanks. Actually when I went to the Grove, the hair was much (much) longer, but so was everyone else's By the way, was there meant to be a poem in your post or were you referring to BP/Noodles' meisterworks ?' ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 18:31
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I was referring to Biker Pat's wonderful verse. I aint no poet...and I know it Sadly I stopped going to the Grove in '71 with a wedding ring on my finger and left for the States in '76, so I missed the Goth, Punk and Moshing years of St Paul's. My finger got fat so I ditched the ring a while back but can't seem to ditch the Grover... married for almost 50 years now. There has to be a lesson in there somewhere?
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 03-July-2018 at 18:50
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Wow, I'd say you have interesting stories to tell Pogue - like all on here with our combined life experience... You were there for prob the best years in "the shack" as Pat put it - I just missed you I'd say, I was around late-71 to 74, bit of 75. 1972, 73, 74 were really my "glory years" in the Grove. Couldn't get into Pauls vibe at all, but I was getting too old anyway. Of course, the Paul's grovers will rightly have a different view of Paul's ! So (this sounds to me like a stupid question, dunno why) - you posting from the States, you back here - back here, I'm assuming ? ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 13:35
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Still stuck here in Cleveland RR Most of the interesting stories I have to tell are either made-up lies or about other people...or made up lies about other people. Besides being locked up for robbing banks and muggings I lead a very uneventful life. Work and no play. I spent a lot of holidays returning to Dublin during the early years when my mother was still kicking (and I was obscenely rich), but am settled now...an old Cleveland bum who likes to wake to the sound of breaking glass and police sirens. |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 15:54
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Lol! That's a shame Pogue, never get to meet in real-life so. But, wait: How big is your gaff there? A few of us could come over and have a mini-face-off in yours ?!! Joking - if only things were that easy in real life ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 16:12
Just thinkin Pogue - or Frank either - do you (or anyone else) remember seeing the odd live band in Belgrove ? I am convinced I saw a brilliant blues band, called "Blueshouse" play there, at least once if not twice. Maybe "The Urge" as well ? Or am I dreaming...  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 16:14
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That face should have been lol. is the way I feel the morning after having too much to dream ... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 16:38
| I do remember bands in the Grove on the rare occasion and the name Blueshouse rings a bell. I remember a Maria Dowdall played the organ (the musical instrument...heheh). Around the same time ('69?) you could stroll into Oulton (spelling?) Tennis club (no cover charge) and watch Skid Row with Phil Lynnott and the gang working out. Man!, they weere something brutal back then...15 minute drum solos and Phil couldn't sing a lick. Ditch Cassidy and the News might have played at the Grove once or twice. He seemed to always be doing the local gigs...although I might be mixing that up with St Brendan's in Artane. You can find a few Ditch videos on YouTube and he's still strutting the same old soul stuff...great to see he stood the test of time and didn't go down in a plane like Otis. |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 16:41
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Ditch and The News video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRoXq1V-Xsk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRoXq1V-Xsk Little edit to the above post: Just caught Ditch introduce Ed Dean on guitar to his right on the above video. At the age of about 14-15 Ed was a true prodigy on guitar ('68-'69?). The kid stole the show in all the Dublin Blues Society's sessions at Slattery's and Liberty Hall. We adored the guy and a friend even had Ed's name engraved on his guitar case. Frustrating at the time because he was a leftie and you couldn't steal his chords. I'm surprised and disappointed Ed never went on to become one of the greats.
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 16:54
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Cool Pogue, love the link. Ditch still doing the rounds all right. Some of my old mates have seen him so much I think they are personal friends of his lol. I actually don't recall seeing him live myself. First band I saw live was the version of Skid Row with just the BRush, Gary Moore on lead guitar and Nollaig on drums - in St. Paul's of all places! This would have been around 1970 probably, maybe 71, can't remember if I had started Groving yet. Well, whatever about the songs I've mentionqed on here, that gig opened another doorway for me into the eternal rabbit hole of music. No drink or any other substances involved, but I got so heavy into the music I starting dancing like a loon. After a few minutes I looked around, my mate was long gone to another part of the hall and there was a space cleared around me, with various onlookers giggling and pretending not to look at me! The cool thing those days seemed to be to maybe slightly incline the head in time to the music, and look earnest !!! After nearly collapsing with embarrassment, I quickly realised ((for the first time probably) I didn't actually give a flying f**k what anyone thought of me.  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 17:19
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Good For You! RR As Shane would say...F'yiz all! Ditch lived directly across the road from me (Next to Harmonstown train station). His dad ran the local grocery store "Cassidy's". Mr. Cassidy was a very strict man and didn't seem to like kids much; especially the ones who shoplifted his sweets and bottles of milk. Being kinda wealthy and respectable and seldom seen playing on the street, Ditch was an unlikely candidate at the time to become a soul singer.
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 17:45
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Ha ha - now that has the makings of an excellent story methinks! So, like all conversations between Irish people, did you by any chance know Philip O Neill or Stephen O Neill? There were part of a large family of big, tall fellas, and maybe one sister. I played in various early-days cover bands with Philip and Steven in different combinations...I think they were from "Harmo", now, but not 100% sure, my memory of those far off days a bit wonky betimes ... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 17:51
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Just saw your edit there bout Ed Deane, Pogue. I certainly know that name, can't recall seeing him play - except - I was in a blues band around late-80s/early-90s, and we were supporting a much better-known blues band, whose name refuses to come to me now. Ed Deane might have been in that band; hopefully he's still around and working. Yeah, there's as much luck (maybe more) involved in "making it" in the music business as there is in life ... Random, really ... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 19:46
ARF!  4th of July here - big fireworks holiday- Nothing better to do |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 19:52
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ARD! Arf ... Nollaig, the brush, ? , and Philo ... Remember Alice, they played in Paul's as well. Eamonn Gibney - Gibbo - a great singer/MC, hard man though, you wouldn't be shouting up sl*gging the band, Gibbo be down off the stage to you Actually, I think poor Gibbo gone to the great gig in the sky, RIP  Occasionally Gary Moore would turn up, and be introduced to p,ah a song to great acclaim ... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 20:59
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I was just checking out Ed Deane there Pogue - he has a formidable CV (including Blueshouse - maybe that's where I saw him) and some version or other of Skid Row! If you go to that http://www.Irishrock.org" rel="nofollow - www.Irishrock.org website you'll find him easy. Actually, that website a very useful - if slightly disorganised, but it's one man and a stuffed dog operation far as I can see - resource about Irish bands and musicians. If the guy who runs it ever retires/has to jack it in, it will leave a hole, hard to fill... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 04-July-2018 at 23:57
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Had another listen to the Ditch video there - dunno how I missed it the first time round, Nollaig (or Noel as he now is) Bridgeman on drums and all, super stuff... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 12:53
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The blues band whose name wouldn't come to me the other day: The Business. Great band, I'm nearly 100% Brian Downey (magnificent drummer, ex-Thin Lizzy) played with them, for some period of time anyway. ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 13:12
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I saw mention of that film 32A in one of the threads. I remember Gerry Leonard telling me he composed the (original) music for the film. I don't know how much of it there was - seems to have been lots of well-known songs in it - anyway, just random fact. Gerry lived in Seafield Road, or Avenue or something in Clontarf, facing the seafront. He was never a Grover as far as I know, but some on here may have known him. Peter, his brother, was closer to my age, two sisters as well. Lovely family, lovely people. I usually meet some or all of the family whenever Gerry is playing over here. Next gig for Gerry in Ireland as far as I know is the Bowie "covers" gig in the Olympia in January next. I've booked tickets already. Mind you, only Gerry is involved I wouldn't be buying them, they are bleedin expensive  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 13:20
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Must correct myself about "The Business". Just double checked there, Brian Downey was never involved with them, dunno how I got that idea ... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 19:02
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Janey lads - to pass the empty hours between the first and second matches today I went on to the Grove reunions thread ... And saw the pics! I could kinda guess at a couple of our "regulars" but I'm not going to ! Yis look spectacular ... And the ladeez... I need the football to cool me down now. When the next face off, of whatever nature, is planned, I'll be first in the queue, whether you want me or not ... Great stuff.. ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 20:03
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YAY! World Cup...I get it late so have to avoid radios and any news results until game time RR -if You Intend to Attend the next Grove reunion you will have to get practicing Rock Lobster moves now...they stick the Newbies way up front. Moving on to the present Groovy Grover generation. Here is the son of a St.Lawrence Rd. Old-Grover who moved to Atlanta around the same time I split for cowboy country... Danced with her many a time (in my dreams) and still a great friend that we see about once a year _ROCK ON! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kA3P3Zd24s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kA3P3Zd24s NOTE: Forgot to mention that this band has the same surname as RR and could very well be related  . |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 22:08
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Lovely song Pogue, accomplished playing all round... So, who is the Lawrence Road next generation connection - the guitarist or the drummer? Or the girl playing magic double bass? (Re Rock Lobster dancing - on their heads be it ! See post somewhere above re Skid Row/Pauls !!!) Also - if it's 22.07 now, in Friday 6th July - what time is it in Cleveland?! ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 22:10
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Oh sorry - has to be one of the lads, double-checked your post there ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 22:22
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We are 5 hours behind...5.18pm here. The guy singing on Guitar is the Clontarfer- Son of Deano the Grovehead Just thought it nice that "maybe?" Cecil's influence crossed the waters in the genetic sense.
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 22:32
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Cheers Pogue ... Re Cecil influence ... If "the child is father to the man" then of course that's true !!! Also ... If we're ahead of you ... For large sums of money I'll tell you lottery numbers here and you can bet on them ... Hmmmmm ... Actually ... Due to reasons connected to the Theory of Relativity and other stuff ... That may not work ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 22:55
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Yeh-I thought after typing, the word "genetic" might not have been chosen appropriately. Poor Cecil, I'm sure he has enough on his hands without me starting gossip. Pity the lottery thing would not work. Kinda reminds me of the old joke about a fella wakes up at 7 on the 7th of July, 1977...looks in the paper and sees that there are seven races to be run at the Curragh. He notices that in the seventh race, due to start at 7 o'clock there's a has a horse named Lucky Seven. He runs to the bookies and puts seven hundred pounds on him...the horse came in seventh.
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 06-July-2018 at 23:13
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Ha ha, like that one Pogue ... Was aware of it of course. We lived in Newbridge 2002 - 2015, after which we moved here (Stradbally). Spent many an exciting - if non-profitable - afternoon down the Curragh. Love "the horses" - don't know anything about them mind; also "the numbers", ie lottery numbers in the bookies (our first family trip to the States came about as a result of an extraordinary piece of luck on the lotto/bookies), but mainly I like poker - the Texas Hold'em variety ! Have played a LOT over the years - about broke even, which is a pretty good net result. Hardly do any of that stuff now, eventually got bored with all of it. The only constant, on which you can't lose money, is music. Always there, never fails, can't get bored with it. And what experience greatly influenced my taste and choice of music - easy one that, of course - The Grove ! ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 09:01
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A question that's been troubling me for a while ... It's kinda got under my skin ... Sometimes I wake up in the night screaming about it ... Here it is (gulp): Apart from what was known as "head banging" in my days, was there actually "moshing" - as in, a "mosh pit" in the Grove after I left?!! St. Paul's, I'm looking at you ... I have a permanently damaged middle toe on my left foot, caused by a 23-stone leviathan of a rocker landing on it (my foot) from a height of about 5 feet, in an impromptu mosh-pit at a Motörhead gig in, The Olympia (? - I think, but could have the venue wrong?). Course I felt no pain - at the time - certainly has not put me off the whole concept, which I think is a magnificent one. Course I shouldn't have leapt into the middle of it, but couldn't help myself (like most of my life stories!). I still remember my brother, over from England for the few days, going: "Ger, don't go in there ... For f**k sake don't go in there ... Oh sh*t..." My sharing piece for the day ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 10:10
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Pogue? Love that "seven" post. Re moshing. After my time in the Grove but at the reunions there is some moshing going on. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 10:37
Cheers Pat. Just kinda wondering was it still a "thing". It was well after my time as well, sadly it didn't stop me joining in at the Motörhead gig! Oh well, 4 working toes per foot gets you by grand  ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 10:55
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I mean of course "..,well after my time ... I was well before moshing's time .. @------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Vinyl Junkie
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 12:22
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Re the moshing, it was, to an extent, after my time but I do remember lads and lassies lepping around to stuff like Alternative Ulster and Teenage kicks but I don't think it was "really" moshing - heard stories after of lads jumping off the stage in St. Pauls into a crowd for certain songs. That never happened when I went down. ------------- TPFKAB (The Poster Formerly Known As Brunswick). |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 12:33
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Indeed VJ. I would not be certain of the technicalities here, but I think "moshing" involves lepping round the place, jumping into one another etc - in a fairly confined space - at ground level; whereas jumping off the stage into the crowd is "stage-diving"; and jumping into the crowd, to be transported along on a sea of hands, would be crowd surfing . It's a long way from all that, that we were reared ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 13:56
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OH YEAH! ...and let's not forget the vibe around '70-'71 when that weird guy used to get in the middle of the floor and dance like a loon with a slight incline of his head bopping in time to the music. HAH!   Wasn't there a video of Killian stage diving on here a while back? . |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 17:09
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Hey Pogue, where did you see me dancing in the 70's ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Vinyl Junkie
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 19:48
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Whenever the "chaos" started in stuff like Alternative Ulster, I'd take a hike out of the hall. ------------- TPFKAB (The Poster Formerly Known As Brunswick). |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 20:58
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Lol VJ. I do likewise. 😂😂😂 ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Pogue Mahoney
Date Posted: 07-July-2018 at 21:12
Ooopps! ...how can we make fun of you behind your back when you are in here listening?
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Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 08-July-2018 at 11:56
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Like the other lads, any time the madness starts these days I get out of the way. Dad-dancing is really not sexy ... (Edit: Granddad dancing )------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-October-2018 at 17:52
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Just thinking lads - I know, I know, when I start thinking - duck! - but there must be a thesis, or even guts of a PhD, maybe in social science or music history or something, in the whole Grove story: - The different musical styles and genres over the 30 years - Ditto the fashions and "groups": Hippies, rockers, goths, New Romantics, slackers etc, etc - the current lifestyles, economic circumstances etc etc over the 30 years - Influence of "the DJ" (Cecil of course) - and, hugely important - why is "the Grove" still to vitally important to lots of its members, 21 years after it had closed down as a physical space? Why is Cecil still as passionate about it all? I mean, I know there are quick/short answers to all of the above, but the Grove and Grovers surely were a microcosm of Dublin society over those 30 years. There must be lots of others angles that could be covered and could be really interesting and insightful. Maybe it's been done already and I'm just now aware of it? If I was 30 years younger I'd nearly do it myself. See what happens when I have a bit if time in my hands!!! ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 07-October-2018 at 17:55
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But maybe the documentary covered most of that ground and there's not much more to be said..? ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: joey the lips
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 10:20
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I think there is always something more to be said ------------- You can checkout anytime u like but u can never leave |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 12:15
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There is probably a lot of information on this website through many different threads that ran since it started in 2005 and especially in those early years when there was a lot of active members from many generations of the Grove. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 12:36
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Thanks lads, was just a thought really ... But will think more on it. ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Vinyl Junkie
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 16:01
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I was chatting with Cecil last week re the documentary and he said that "RTE" themselves hold the rights to it. It's a mystery to me why they don't air it again (I think Pat was in touch with them at least once) or (better still) release it on DVD for a (relatively) reasonable price and they'd make a small fortune - handy stocking filler for Grove friends and family. Unless they can't re-show it/sell it due to the fact that they'd have to pay royalties to the artists whose songs appear on the programme. ------------- TPFKAB (The Poster Formerly Known As Brunswick). |
Posted By: Rahenyrhythm
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 16:15
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Yeah Mel, I don't really know how these things work but as you say there would definitely be a market for the documentary if it could be purchased on some medium... ------------- One of its legs is both the same |
Posted By: Biker Pat
Date Posted: 08-October-2018 at 19:41
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Re the documentary. I think Animo Productions also hold rights to the programme as they made it on behalf of RTE. That's what I was told by my contact in RTE. There are also copyright issues and costs re the music content. It did get something like 284,000 viewers on the night. Not bad considering it was shown after 10pm if I remember correctly. ------------- May be going to hell in a bucket but at least I'm enjoying the ride. Biker Pat Grove 1972-1975 |
Posted By: Vinyl Junkie
Date Posted: 09-October-2018 at 21:14
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I think it might have been from 9.30pm Pat but I could be wrong. Such a shame I isn't widely available for others to enjoy although I believe some of the Grove members (cough!) have a copy on DVD, apparently. ------------- TPFKAB (The Poster Formerly Known As Brunswick). |