Morning All! Judge Judy here! Welcome to the new Grove debate central location where issues can be addressed, discussed and debated. 

 

We ask that you keep it light and to the point.  No harsh words will be permitted.  You’ll be barred for life if you upset anyone especially me.  Try to keep political and religious issue to a minimum, save those for the bar where you can have a good knock down drag out argument. 

 

So with the rules in place, shall we proceed?

 

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Ok I'll start it!

Who is more intelligent! Men or Women?

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You hit the nail on the head

Women are more intelligent!

Obviously that's settled then.Next question please.

Seriously though,d'ya not have to back up your assertions with reasoned argument,logical trains of thought,anecdotal evidence and references to reknowned studies etc.

Who's first ?

Sorry,did that before I saw Xgh's.But the general jist of it is still the same.

Rolo.

Ok I see we are getting a little confused and some are more versed in this than others but the general ruling there is Women are more intelligent!  Let's give it another try: -

Next question please - step up to the podium...

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Should dogs like doberman pinschers, Pit bulls, German Shepherds be around children?

I personally think not, I feel these dogs have a tendency to turn on a child quite easily.  I seen a child last year who's face was completely destroyed by a bite from their family pet? 

I agree

and if Dogs have to be around Children they all should were muzzle's

You never know when a dog will go for you

Judge Judy wrote: the general ruling there is Women are more intelligent!

......................and the reasoning behind this profound judgment is ....................Your Honour ?

Oh yeah,request leave to appeal.

Rolo.

Request Denied!

No deviating off the subject! Another word out of you and you'll be asked to leave the room.

There is no argument behind that ruling women are more intelligent because I'm one. nuff said.

Now getting back to the question of dogs have you anything to add to this topic.

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Sorry Your Honour,not having that, I'm off to the Supreme Court......

Oh yeah,hate dogs, especially in the park where they're supposed to be on a leash and their crazy owners let them run wild and crap all over the place.

Rolo.

Agree hate the hair balls.. especially the one next door.  I'm going to set fire to his arse one of these days..

Sorry Your Honour!!

nasty dogs should not be around children ... I totally agree, but we always  had dogs in my family, we had a big German shepard once who was just brilliant ... please don't shot the pooch !

Ok I think we have a clear winner! Dogs out around children anyway.

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Next question please - step up to the podium...

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A topic thats running at the moment over here in Ireland

Should Gay people be allowed to marry?

I think they should be after all we are all the same and people should have the same rights whoever they chose to spend there"married life" with it gives people so much more rights to pensions, inheritence etc and itll make it easier in later life ....

Sharon

Love it Sharon! Absolutely if you love someone and it's a true relationship why not.  I have some very good gay friends here, they have been together for years, their relationship is as good as any.

I'm for it!

Yeah,have to agree with yiz on that one girls.

Have no problem whatsoever with any couple enjoying the same rights and privileges afforded to what some might call " proper married couples " and may I also be so bold as to predict that the incidences of " marriage " breakdown in gay relationships might just be less than in what some might call normal marriages.

Please now head for the " Guilty / Not Guilty " Thread.....................

Rolo.

Drink driving

1 is ok...get in and drive home no prob

2 is still ok....drive home no probs

3 is ok......drive home with one eye out for the gardai

4 is ok.......if you just up the road

What do people think?

For me its got to be none whats point in having one only to be gagging for more...so leave car at home..price of taxi is far cheaper than a death or to be put off the road when you need car for work

I don't think anyone will disagree with that - not one for drink driving.  I can bearly drive never mind drunk...

Xgh I suggest you post a question that we can debate - you seem to be good at this.... what do you think.

Ok here goes.

I don't know if you know this Teresa but the powers that be in the ESB made a change to the lights on the twin chimneys at the Pigeon House last summer.  Instead of the friendly red lights they now have glaring blinking white lights.  Aircraft safety is the reason being cited for the change..............never caused a problem before. Bring back the red lights I say.

And if we can't debate that what do you think of allowing children as young as 8 have their own mobile phones and tvs in their bedroom?????

I don't know much about the light change but would have to think there was a good reason behind it.  If aircraft safety is one and a legit one then I say fine. 

I don't think 8 year old kids need to have mobile phones!! as for TV's in the bedroom, neither Martin and I go for it.  We have 3 telly's around the house - bed is for sleeping and thats our rule.  They have a million books in their bedroom so that's what they do at night.

Yeah,Kev got his phone when he was 12,got it at his confo.Small fella keeps asking when he's getting one and is being told the same thing.It's freaking him out and he's only 9.Don't go for the telly in the bedroom at all,'cos they see enough of it when they're up.

No opinion on the lights,sorry.

Rolo.

Course I've seen them but they don't bother me at all,nor did the red ones. I do know that some prople are kicking up a stink about them,wouldn't be anyone we know,would it ?

Rolo.

No - it was some people in Ringsend - when they first switched them on they were so bright they complained they couldn't sleep at night!!

No - I'm just clutching at straws trying to come up with a debate topic. ........

What do you think of the death penalty?

I would have always said no but I have seen so much horrible stuff here... so I'm for it especially anyone who touches a child.

should they wait 20 years for killing someone they have no doubt did the crime.

Kill them all, I say kill them all. Gas 'em , fry 'em , inject 'em or shoot 'em,makes no difference.

Rolo.

Conversation stopper - Why's that - people kill, people get killed - children get the bad end of the stick all the time - abductions the lot.

So with that said - surely you all have something to say about it - it's really not something I like to think about but it's real...

Some1 goes near my kid or any ones kid i know ild slowly cut him/her to little pieces a little each day to draw out the agony

But death penalty well now how many time have we seen ppl pardoned because they didnt do the crime so its a hard one to agree to

Shar

Thought this site was meant to be about the Grove.............

Death penalty ...........No I don't agree with the Death penalty who are we to decide to take someone life GOD

Also God is the only one of us that has any rights to say when it is time to go to the other side We all have to meet him some day and it is he who we all have to answer to

I think I can hear this at mass on Sunday if I want!!!!!

What are you a member of the holy fathers?

Glad to hear you go to Mass.But when you go you must take it in.No I am not a member of any thing just think we are all to quick to judge people and when we look at our own life we are not that pure

Oh this is what we've all been waiting for...............this is the Apocolypse I've been warning about for months.....

Its our first troll!!!!!!!

I think, apologies if you aren't a troll JP.

Thanks T, and to think you thought it was me acting the goat.

Rolo.

Has the pope got some topic he wants to discuss in here?

hmmmmmmmmm

Will await with amusement for the Popes jump into "debate central"

I see there has been some goings on here in debate central during my absence!

I'm tellin yis if I ever see that kind of lark again your all barred!

Now! Next Question - Step up to the podium please...

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I don't agree with this war so I'd have to say no I don't agree with that either. It puts Ireland in the line of fire and Irish people abroad. I think this war is a mess in general...

What do you think of Bishop Casey returning to Ireland?

Personally I have no problem with it, I think they should be allowed to Marry. 

I am glad to see Bishop Casey return.

You are right Teresa All priest should be allowed to ger Married.As they are only human like the rest of us,They must leave a very lonely life

Hiya Kay,

Still laughing over that stunt last week.

Best one yet.

Rolo.

Glad you like it.

Did you have a great weekend away Rolo

Teresa how is your head to day Mine is in bits again Went out last night had one to many

Back in work to day have lots to do can't cope

She's a slapper, can't stand her - dizzy little girl with a baby!!!! and our kids watch the like of that.... ummmm

Kay head is still a little muggy.... had some vino last night!!!

Yeah Kay,

Good fun all right.I was telling Teresa that WE never go out on a Sunday night,purely 'cos I don't want to be diseased on Monday.

Fair play to you for managing it though.

Rolo.

Rolo I don't manage it I am in bits.

Britney Spears should be locked up Why would you put your children in danger like that

I think she's a space cadet - she's really gone off the rails recently.  I read her mother was a solid influence in her life but Britney had a falling out with her.

I can't drink much on Sunday or I feel crap for the week - didn't stop me opening a bottle of vino last night - it was yummy!!!

I saw a guy driving along the seafront a few weeks ago with a kid on his lap - it was really wet that day and by the time I got my phone out from under all my layers to take his no. he was gone.

I really better go and do some work..........

I can't understand people who calmly accept their paycheques every week and then spend all day on the net!!! 

Yeah,agree there.

D'ya remember when you were a kid and there were no seatbelts,( you probably don't Xgh 'cos cars probably had them when you were a kid ) you'd spend the whole journey standing on the raised bit in the back looking out between the two front seats.Any sort of a bump and you'd be out through the windscreen like a bullet.Didn't stop us doing it though.

Don't drink wine Thank God,don't drink at home much really,only if someone's over.

Rolo.

Trollop! if it were anyone else the child would have been removed!!!!

Rolo wrote: D'ya remember when you were a kid and there were no seatbelts,( you probably don't Xgh 'cos cars probably had them when you were a kid ) you'd spend the whole journey standing on the raised bit in the back looking out between the two front seats.Any sort of a bump and you'd be out through the windscreen like a bullet.Didn't stop us doing it though. Rolo.

I was practically born on that raised bit Rolo, never saw a seat belt until I progressed to the front - at 12 I hasten to add! Different times though.

What do you think of Bush compared to Clinton?

I am a big Clinton fan! always have been, I think he is a wonderful talker - can't stand Bush he's a babbling idiot....

You just said that to make me sign back in!!! he's an idiot - can't stand him.... he's an idiot, nah nah nah nah nah nah....

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Smoke em outta their holes, bring em home dead or alive... rrrr

T

Knew that would get ya going !!

yeah He's the biggest t**ser since Reagan or Carter !!

T , Poor fecking dog next door ! the mut can't be all that bad !!

Seriously though once in a while a politician comes around and everyone feels a little more confidence ..................enter Mr Clinton!

and once in a while a An idiot comes in to office and everyone sh*ts itheir pants .......................................................enter Mr Bush !

have to say Mr Blair is'nt all that hot ethier !

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                  OK We all agree! Bush is an idiot!!!!!

Right Enough of this idle chat! Get back to the chat room and stop clogging up the forums with all this sh*te about dogs and so forth!!!!!!!

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Next question please come on quick - jump up there to the podium!

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Right so your Honour,

How 'bout this then.

" Does the panel think that pubs and clubs should be allowed set their own opening hours,without interference from the State ?"

Noodles.

I can just imagine that in Ireland!

You know I always said if I was a recovering alco which I'm not - not yet anyhow - Ireland is the last place I would want to be as everything revolves around the pub......  as I know it most pubs do not close until about 1 - I may stand corrected on that.  Clubs well you can always retire to Leeson st. if you so wish a long night out.

I'm on the fence about that!

Yeah but Teresa,we've a system here that throws thousands of drunken people out on the street at the same time every friday and saturday nights.This leads to untold mayhem when there's not enough taxis to get everyone home.Imagine the scene,thousands of drunks killing each other just because they can't home.Why not allow pub owners dictate their opening hours so people can then make for home at their chosen time.

Rolo.

Yeah but were talking about Ireland! are you out of your mind - married couples would be no more.  Children would be fatherless... Fathers would be leggless...... all the bleeden time and there would be no taxi's as all the drivers would be in the pub....

Now that just doesn't work for me!!!

I think they should throw all the 20 year olds out at 12, then the 30 years old out at 1 and the 40 years old out at 2 and so forth....

Nah Teresa,don't think so.

Think people are sensible enough to know when it's time to go home.Even in Harry's at the weekend although they serve til 12.30,by 12.15 it's started to empty out.Only the hardened few remain to try to get a beer at 12.45,( and normally we succeed.)

Rolo.

True,but for me out at ten thirty,home by Two AM is perfect.S'pose not everyone is a sensible though.

Wonder what the others think.

Rolo.

As they say in the Sopranos

" What ya gonna do ?"

I know you don't watch it but you should start.

Rolo.

Don't agree with Pubs staying open late.Not every one knows when they have enough Dave is a Taxi man and the story he tells would make you sick.

What does evey one think of the new bar that was meant to open tonight on the grounds of the Stardust.That fellow should be sent to Jail.

He was meant to open a Cocktail bar to night the name Silver Swan Could you belive it.

There was a big up roar and he has now put it off till next week

Ye you are right

Don't think many people would go into it.

Hi All,

The neck of yer man is unbelievable.  People forget very quickly, I think people probably would go in.  Although maybe not now with all the publicity. Hasn't there been a pub beside it all along trading normally Skellys think its called.  Maybe finally there will be a proper enquiry we'll see what happens with what Prime Time came up with.

I was in NY in June 02 and there were pubs with signs out - closest beer to Ground Zero - I kid you not.  When it comes to making a buck some people have not shame.

Licensing laws - I don't know.  You go to continental Europe and people sit chatting for hours over one beer, never sick on the streets, never queues for the loo.  Irish people have a different attitude to drinking, thats why McDowell's (no theres an Irish politician we could have a good chat about here) cafe licence idea was laughed out of it.

Still I don't think the answer is to cut down on the opening hours either - the hours at the moment are fine, there's lots of pubs in the city and in the suburbs with late licenses and there's lots of clubs if you have to go on later.  And you can always be sensible and leave before closing and beat the others to the taxi queue.

Morning all,

Have to agree with yiz on the Stardust thing.We lived five minutes walk away from there and I'll never forget the effect the tragedy had on the area and the longlasting effect it still has,as is evident from the interviews with the family members and survivors.Xgh is right,there was a bar on the site,Skelly's ,not sure when it opened or closed or if it's still there even.

I'm amazed that anyone would ever go into it.Even the odd time if I've to go into the Industrial Estate I get the shivers.

Having watched Prime Time last night,the new evidence seems a little " wishy washy " but I sincerely hope that Bertie and that idiot McDowell ( did I pick ya up correctly,Xgh ) can see their way to re opening the case.

On the licensing laws and Continental Europe,I often wonder is their more relaxed drinking culture due to the fact that they're not in a race to get as many down their necks as they can before they're kicked out.

Laughing at Pogue's reference to Booze Britain,I was knackered in Dundee on Friday Night but two of the lads went clubbing and described the scenes at " chucking out time " exactly as you see on the telly.

Jeez,that was a long post.

Rolo.

Skellys lounge has always been opened but Butterly was never the licencee and it was closed just before xmas for a refit and only few weeks back was the licence transferred back to butterly it was in the name of the silver swan trading company or something not too sure of the facts and butterly is owner of that company( was told this by my cousin how true it is i dont know...didnt see prime time last night) I know it was very bad timing for him to relaunch his pub that bastard should know better but as Ive been told many people drink up there and will always drink up there.......I for one wouldnt set a foot inside the door or knowingly support any of his companies and really I cant understand how local people can support him.............Im sure most people would know someone who was affected by the stardust tragedy and have never oe will never go near his place

Sharon

Hear Hear Sharon, forgot that you must've lived near enough to the Stardust too.

Rolo.

Did anyone of you read the editorial in todays Irish Times about it?  OK they are being supportive of the Victims Committee but such a patronising tone.  And on Monday they described the doves that were released as pigeons, any daft eejit knows that doves are pigeons -white ones!!  Fecks sake they make it sound like someone released a bunch of carrier pigeons cos they couldn't get doves.  Ah its the northside anything with wings will do.  For fecks sake.

Right, vented, better now.

Found a very interesting article on the Butterlys on the Sunday Business Post website, here's the link. If it doesn't work you should find it from the main paper.

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Yeah read it Xgh,

Nothing there surprises me at all.And agree with you on Madam Editor's bit in The Times. Could be worse though,Kevin Myers could've written it.

Rolo.

There should be an emoticon for spitting........................

And that brings up one of my pet hates (one says you, you have loads!)

Spitting on the streets - its disgusting, filthy and should be against the law.  Once years ago I was walking down Grafton Street in my lovely black desert boots and a scumbag walking chatting to his mate turns his head aside and spits and it landed smack on my desert boot.